From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #100 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, May 29 1997 Volume 02 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Shirtgallery comments [Paul Baily ] Alloy: On the floor of a Pan-Am bar [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: Penultimate RollCall [Louise.Clay-Harrison@nmp.nokia.com (Clay] Alloy: Re: Back On Line, Live From The New Geek Room [Bill Hargreaves ] Alloy: Introducing: The Art of... [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: On the floor of a Pan-Am bar [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: Shirts [Sean P Cier ] Re: Alloy: On the floor of a Pan-Am bar [Bill Hargreaves ] Alloy: Any umbra you like ["Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM>] Re: Alloy: Shirts [Eclipse ] Re: Alloy: Any umbra you like [Eclipse ] Alloy: Well-received Shirt design [Lem Bingley ] Re: Alloy: Shirts [MsSakamoto@aol.com] Re: Alloy: On the floor of a Pan-Am bar [Steven McDonald ] Alloy: Query [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Query ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Re: Alloy: Query [David Pease ] Re: Alloy: Query [Eclipse ] Alloy: I see your true colours shining through [Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Shirtgallery comments >Paul --- que? >Great job on the shirt gallery! It is very gratifying to see this >manifestation of my efforts. Thank you kindly. Most welcome sir! > First time I've ever seen my name on a webpage . Well, credit where it's due. >I do not know how it looks on your browsers, but to me the images appear a >bit dark --- FYI. Therefore, the Eggplant color isn't quite as black as it >appears to me with my video setup, and similarly, Seafoam is just a bit less >intense in real life. Bummer! I didn't do any processing on the images so maybe it was the JPEG compression that did it? If you've got the images in an uncompressed form I'd be glad to try to optimise them here for the page. cheers, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 97 21:22:05 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: On the floor of a Pan-Am bar >doesn't help. We don't take the lines about "triple octane bonds" >containing his feelings literally, and we don't expect him to fill >*himself* up at a gas station, so why expect this line to be literal? Good point sir, good point. Just a quick thought, going back a ways to my flight school days, isn't the octane rating of jet fuel near or over three digits? Sorry, can't remember myself, it was a long time ago. Doesn't fit the lyric context so I'm probably barking up the wrong tree. Don't mind me... cheers, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:08:55 +0300 From: Louise.Clay-Harrison@nmp.nokia.com (Clay-Harrison Louise NMP) Subject: Re: Alloy: Penultimate RollCall HI Miles et al,.. >To wit: if it's not going somewhere in the US of A, then where? > I know Juha Takkinen is in Sweden, and Neil Leacy is in the UK, Paul Ba= ily > and John Schofield are in Australia, but Lissu?, Europa?, E(lipse? I'm in sunny Finland, on the baltic, but not in a submarine. (Terveisi=E4 Juhalle!) Thanks for all the great work on the T-shirt stuff guys! (....now we're on the subject, I like the idea of a " L "-sized crew neck= =20 shortsleeve "T" in eggplant, even if it is a bit lighter, and if those are the colour= s=20 on offer. Rather nice. Alloy Red. Thought I might as well mention this now.) What excellent taste you chaps have,... Oh, and excellent job on the web side with this, Paul,.... Ta Muchly, Lissu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:18:36 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Alloy: Re: Back On Line, Live From The New Geek Room At 19:03 24/05/97 -0400, crackers@hwcn.org wrote: >Hey gang, sorry I've been out of touch so long. Sorry to hear about the quicklime incident. If you've been out of touch, you might not know what's been going on. There's a subversive plan to swamp world markets with TMDR T-shirts, regretably without any Bun-Fu references, but maybe it's not too late to correct that ommision. Details on the Alloy mailing list. If you're not on it you dog damn well should be. Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" "subscribe" as the body, and make it snappy. And don't forget that the back door the the FES is still open, for those in the know. http://flatearth.tdolby.com/cgi-bin/MessageView.cgi?thread=838217713&handle= Crackers will get you in to the mutant thread, then you can go back to the main thread list, and Fred's your Auntie. BH PS Melissa's address is mjordan@goodwill.org and not jordan@goodwill.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:24:48 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Re: Alloy: On the floor of a Pan-Am bar At 21:22 28/05/97 +1000, you wrote: > Good point sir, good point. > >Just a quick thought, going back a ways to my flight school days, isn't >the octane rating of jet fuel near or over three digits? Sorry, can't >remember myself, it was a long time ago. Doesn't fit the lyric context so >I'm probably barking up the wrong tree. Don't mind me... > >cheers, > >Paul. > Artistic License! Have you got one, Sir? Please step away from your PC and assume the position. Thank you. Now then, sir, did you know this Artistic License expired during the Golden Age of Wireless? NO? I thought not, I know the type only too well. I'll let you off with a caution this time, young fella-me-lad, but don't let me catch you without a current one in future. Now, get back on that Pentium and on your way ....... and DON'T EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT ........ don't know why I bother, they never listen ...... mumble, mumble, mutter, mutter [fade]. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:44:09 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Alloy: Shirts Hi all. Attached is a rough idea for a T-Shirt design, heavily inspired by the cover of Astronauts & Heretics. I know it hasn't got all the words on it that the consensus dictates, but hey, here it is anyway... You know, I really should be working instead of fooling around with this stuff. Lem. (In UK) [ Lem's great art was a little too big to post to the whole list. Look for it at: ! More to follow. -PB] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 97 23:08:59 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Introducing: The Art of... Hi y'all, As you'd have seen in a previous message, Lem sent some really good artwork for the shirt. Now, we're not sure that artwork will be possible, but I for one would really like to see any ideas you have on it. Lem's contribution nudged me into hastily making a page for just this thing (I know, I know, 'Don't give up your day job Paul' well I did say /hastily/ didn't I? :-) Have a look at stay well, Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT contractor http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 97 23:15:37 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: On the floor of a Pan-Am bar In last week's episode, we heard Bill Hargreaves say: >Artistic License! Have you got one, Sir? Please step away from your PC and >assume the position. Thank you. Now then, sir, did you know this Artistic >License expired during the Golden Age of Wireless? NO? I thought not, I >know the type only too well. LOL! >I'll let you off with a caution this time, young fella-me-lad, but don't let >me catch you without a current one in future. Now, get back on that Pentium >and on your way ....... and DON'T EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT I guess now's not a very good time to mention I use a Macintosh then, eh? ;-) cheers, Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT contractor http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:11:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean P Cier Subject: Re: Alloy: Shirts On Wed, 28 May 1997, Lem Bingley wrote: > Attached is a rough idea for a T-Shirt design, heavily inspired by the > cover of Astronauts & Heretics. I know it hasn't got all the words on it > that the consensus dictates, but hey, here it is anyway... This is absolutely a wonderful design (besides the fact that it features one of my favourite Dolby lyrics in its full glory)... if this or a similar derivative ends up as the result, put me in for a shirt! Apologies for the abrupt de-lurking. Contact my insurance agent for claims on any resulting whiplash. - -spc /- Sean Cier -\ ( If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:33:16 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Re: Alloy: On the floor of a Pan-Am bar At 23:15 28/05/97 +1000, Paul Baily wrote: >>I'll let you off with a caution this time, young fella-me-lad, but don't let >>me catch you without a current one in future. Now, get back on that Pentium >>and on your way ....... and DON'T EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT > >I guess now's not a very good time to mention I use a Macintosh then, eh? >;-) > >cheers, > >Paul. > Now then, sir, we all know about men who use Macintoshes, don't we? You'll be telling me next that you hiding in those bushes near the children's playground because you're of a nervous disposition and the little blighters scare the willies out of you. And presumably you said 'cheers' because you're about to take another swig or quaff from that dodgy looking container in the brown paper bag. I think you should have made your getaway while you had the chance, you're just making it worse for yourself you know. Now then, sir, just let get a few details shall we? (Gets out notebook and licks his 1 inch long pencil) Name? I see, sir, you're THE Paul Bailey are you? Yes, we've all heard of you down at Pestillence Row Police Station, Bar and Grill. Are you aware that it's an offense to use your employer's equipment for unauthorised mailing and browsing? Gawd, is that the time, I need to get back for 'Neighbours' and 'Home and Away.' You've been very lucky again on this occasion, sir, but if I catch you at it again when I've got more time it'll be you for the high jump. Now, on your way and let's here no more about it. ------------------------------ Date: 28 May 97 12:55:21 EDT From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Alloy: Score one for Lem! For: Lem Bingley re: Weightless Analysis Dear Lem, > I don't think the "Fruit Juice Everywhere" is referring to a chunder > (surely it'd be "Milk Shake Everywhere" if TMDR were being literal, since > that's what he said she drank - and it scans). I think it's just a poetic > reference to the fact that her comfort food (the carrot cake etc) doesn't > fix her problems - she can consume as much as she likes but it won't help. It SCANS! If we were casting votes, I'd have to be in your camp. This brilliant illumination resonated with my truthsense --- instantly! Thanks. Perhaps now we can put to rest these bothersome images of a wretched retching. Grateful regards, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: 28 May 97 12:55:22 EDT From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Alloy: Any umbra you like For: E(lipse re: What color is your umbra Dear E(lipse, You know, the dark red (Eggplant) color could be apropriate too, if a lunar eclipse is that which you prefer. Carry on. Best, /\/\iles ?=__+c;eu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:19:12 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Shirts Lem Bingley wrote: > > Hi all. > > Attached is a rough idea for a T-Shirt design, heavily inspired by the > cover of Astronauts & Heretics. I know it hasn't got all the words on it > that the consensus dictates, but hey, here it is anyway... > Oooh, now that is really great.. you're talented! If that's how the t-shirt ends up, I'm -definitely- getting one. - -- E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:24:22 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Any umbra you like > For: E(lipse > > re: What color is your umbra > > Dear E(lipse, > > You know, the dark red (Eggplant) color could be apropriate too, if a lunar > eclipse is that which you prefer. Carry on. > > Best, > /\/\iles > > ?=__+c;eu True, true, either would work.. The last lunar I saw was about that eggplant color. I tend to identify more with the solar eclipses though--rare and beautiful. ;) (well, rare at any given spot, at least) - -- E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:45:45 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Alloy: Well-received Shirt design Thanks for the compliments, folks, but any credit for the T-shirt design I submitted should be equally shared between whoever-it-was that designed the A&H sleeve and Leonardo Da Vinci, since they did all the hard work. I just plagiarised them. Incidentally, there should be no problem with copyright in using Da Vinci's helicopter drawing since he's been dead rather longer than the statutory 70 years. Thanks to Paul for setting up the page and saving Alloy from uninvited 80KB attachments... The man has clearly earned his free shirt. Lem. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: MsSakamoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Shirts > Lem Bingley wrote: > > > > Hi all. > > > > Attached is a rough idea for a T-Shirt design, heavily inspired by the > > cover of Astronauts & Heretics. I know it hasn't got all the words on it > > that the consensus dictates, but hey, here it is anyway... It's still great! Since A&H is my favourite album, that really makes me happy! - --Suzanne-- (Oh, and Miles--it's Suzanne Williams, U.S.A.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven McDonald Subject: Re: Alloy: On the floor of a Pan-Am bar On Wed, 28 May 1997, Paul Baily wrote: > > I guess now's not a very good time to mention I use a Macintosh then, eh? > ;-) > that could be the problem with the web graphics. Macs use a different gamma than most other platforms, so images that look ok on your mac may appear a little dark on other systems. (something like that) - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:19:34 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: Mac-evil At 01:05 PM 5/28/97 -0700 Steve wrote: >On Wed, 28 May 1997, Paul Baily wrote: >that could be the problem with the web graphics. Macs use a different >gamma than most other platforms, so images that look ok on your mac may >appear a little dark on other systems. (something like that) Ah, this confirms my longstanding belief: Mac = Dark Side. Just kidding. Some of my very dearest friends use Macs. ...really. - - Melissa (and have made fab business cards and a resume for me, btw) - ------------------- ------------------------------------------ Melissa R. Jordan Remember The Women Pilots of WWII: - ------------------- http://www.infinet.com/~iwasm/wasp.htm Special International Projects Manager - ------------------------------------------ Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858 (direct phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: Query What does quod erat demonstrandum mean exactly, anyway? Is it appropriate for a portion of the t-shirt? Never took Latin! - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:32:12 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Query At 02:18 PM 5/28/97 -0700, Elaine wrote: > >What does quod erat demonstrandum mean exactly, anyway? Is it appropriate >for a portion of the t-shirt? "There are rats demonstrating on the quad." Never took Latin, either. I just like to guess. - - Melissa, sic transit gloria mundae ("On Monday, Gloria got sick in the subway.") (That IS a good question, Elaine, all fooling aside.) - ------------------- ------------------------------------------ Melissa R. Jordan Remember The Women Pilots of WWII: - ------------------- http://www.infinet.com/~iwasm/wasp.htm Special International Projects Manager - ------------------------------------------ Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858 (direct phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 97 14:51:23 PDT From: David Pease Subject: Re: Alloy: Query Melissa R. Jordan spake thusly: + +At 02:18 PM 5/28/97 -0700, Elaine wrote: +> +>What does quod erat demonstrandum mean exactly, anyway? Is it appropriate +>for a portion of the t-shirt? QED is the functional equivalent of "as has been proven", I believe, though I don't know the exact translation. We used to use it to finish geometry proofs :) Thank you for your time dp EL, DDfL & J dave pease, RDFC Armchair Analyst Baseball Prospectus on the WWW -- Last Updated May 28, 1997 http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:26:58 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Query Elaine Linstruth wrote: > > What does quod erat demonstrandum mean exactly, anyway? Is it appropriate > for a portion of the t-shirt? > > Never took Latin! > > -- > Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) Took latin, and don't remember any of it! But I think it means something like "That which is to be demonstrated"... QED is stuck at the end of (correctly done only!) proofs, I know about it from logic class. (I was darned good at logic too... didn't care for algebra, but could draw up proofs and truthtables all day.. always liked the way the word "tautology" sounded too!) - -- E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 97 10:22:52 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: I see your true colours shining through Hi y'all, Just verified that colour matching problem by looking at the page on my NT machine here and comparing it to the Macintosh version. I've talked with our resident HTML guru and he says it's a widespread problem with web graphics but with workarounds available. So, apologies for the mismatched colours, I'll work on converting those images to a universally accurate representation during the day as time permits. I'll post an update when it's fixed. Please note: I know I don't really have to say this but I'd really prefer it if we avoid degrading Alloy to a series of 'my platform is better than your platform' messages. I happily use NT & Windows 95 as well Macintosh and believe each has it's strengths. Whatever gets the job done for you is best for you. We've got much more worthwhile things to talk about. 'nuff said. cheers, Paul. ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #100 ***************************