From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #97 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Monday, May 26 1997 Volume 02 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Beth Meyer & Fruitjuice ["Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe] Alloy: T-shirts galore & update ["Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServ] Re: Alloy: Just the faqs, ma'am [Russell Milliner ] Alloy: T-shirt data update ["Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM] Re: Alloy: T-shirt data update [Melissa Jordan ] Alloy: shirt supply [Melissa Jordan ] Re: Alloy: T-shirt data update ["Mary A. Brown" ] Re: Alloy: Serious about t-shirts? [Monya De ] RE: Alloy: shirt supply ["James E. Hartman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 May 97 06:18:40 EDT From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Alloy: Beth Meyer & Fruitjuice Reply for: Beth Meyer From: Miles re: Fruit Juice Everywhere --- > By the way, speaking of "Weightless", that line that immediately follows > the fruit juice line -- "drop one, drop two" -- is that a knitting > reference? Ha! Are you testing the team? This *is* a joke, right? But I'll take it at face value and plunge in after you . . . Ok, lets start with the lyric (as published). Weightless Big hunk of carrot cake Blueberry milkshake Fistful of Coldrex Won't fix the empty feeling in Lizzy's heart . . . So she flicks on the TV Takes in a movie But all those memories Won't erase the empty feeling from in her heart . . . Then a dog woke inside her head to watch the explosion And a pipe started leaking as she bent to the basin Fruit juice everywhere --- Not one drop to fill me You thought your interpretation was unpalatable? Someone has explained this to me as the description of an attempted suicide. Not sure I can accept that, but you asked for alternates . . . and I wanted to clear up your misnomer about the text, if such it is. My own interpretation, you ask? How about, "Duh?" The awakening "dog" really throws me, especially being, as it is, "in her head." In fact, the last third of these lines seem like a collection of unrelated ideas if I examine it too closely. Much like the work of Serault (think I'm not spelling this correctly), a French painter who produced images by painting tiny dots which when viewed from a great enough distance would resolve themselves into the target image, but when viewed close up would seem just dots. There was a philosophy and some science behind his technique I am told, but right now it escapes me . . . So, Fruit juice everywhere? Stand back to get the full effect. Word art. Like I said, "Duh." Dear readers, if you think this was stupid, it was. So much for my interpretation. Very best regards, Miles P.S. All you scientist types out there: lock the doors to your laboratories - --- go home and enjoy the weekend, please. Recreation builds strong minds (and bodies). Sunlight is good for the soul --- emotional nutrition. Miles Pedant, signing off. ------------------------------ Date: 25 May 97 06:18:44 EDT From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Alloy: T-shirts galore & update Dear and most singular Team, Following are some facts and ideas regarding the ALLOY t-shirt. You may remember me ranting about putting a graphic image on the front of the shirt. Well, this idea has been shot down by my artist friend, Karen Bell, with a mere crinkling of the nose. It is Karen's opinion that such would interfere with the text, looking too busy and detracting from the message. I can only agree, respecting her esthetic judgement as I do. She suggested placing it on the back of the shirt if we must have it, but that would mean losing the "Juice", or whatever we decide to put there. So scratch that, I guess. re: Two and Two . . . and design criteria Someone mentioned putting "That's why people fall in love" in "tiny" letters beneath the in=equation. An appropriate and essential idea, yet this brings up an important design issue: we need to keep our text large enough so letters like "A", "B", "R", and "P" don't close up as the ink wicks into the fabric. Tiny won't work, unfortunately. For you design-heads out there: I don't have a specific point size lower limit for you, but will advise not using fat fonts for now. Karen will inspect our artwork submissions and will advise if anything needs changing. We can submit our work in draft form so we don't burn up a lot of mainframe time for nothing until we know we're on the right track. re: colors Since we're creating custom, handmade, limited edition shirts we can each literally have any color, size, and style we want, but . . . . We need to consider the process involved if money is an issue. If we want to economize somewhat, we'll need to make the ink colors consistent so all the shirts can be printed in one run. Otherwise we'll end up needing to change the ink colors to suit each shirt, and Karen, besides not wishing to talk to me ever again, will charge us more. So, what I am initially going to offer you is a choice of three colors, one of which will certainly be Black, and one of which will be a light reflective color for those of us (me included) who live in warmer climes. White is not on the list of hip colors, according to the artist, but there are plenty of alternates that will have the same or similar thermodynamic effect. Paul has mentioned Alloy (dark) Red, and I confess that color hasn't come up on the list of possibilities on my end of things, but I will look into it. Paul: do you mean the red seen once the "Gate" CD is removed from the jewel case, or the red used for the cover? Or? So, much to Monya De's delight, she can have black. As for the rest of us, it remains to be seen. Actually I'll want two in black, and two in a lighter color myself. The other message here is that if you absolutely *must* have your shirt in Puce or Pink, Cerulian Blue or Chartreuse, Taupe or Teal, Midnight Red or Mauve: it can be done, but the cost will be higher not only to us, but to my relationship with this kind and generous friend who is doing this for me mostly out of the goodness of her heart. In point of fact, her shirts generally sell for $25 to $50, whereas ours will still only cost us around $15 . . . Go figure. One last. Those of you requesting XXL: your cost will be about one dollar higher than the rest as a reflection of the wholesale price of such things. Also, keep in mind that Sweatshirts, Tank-tops, Baby-dolls (for those of you that must display your belly-buttons), Scoop-necks, Long-sleeves, and baby shirts are all possibilities; especially if you like Black. The Sweatshirt, at least, will also be available in the "light" color. Thanks for reading, Miles Alone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 10:25:33 -0400 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: Just the faqs, ma'am Melissa R. Jordan wrote: > > At 07:27 PM 5/22/97 -0700, you wrote: > >> Agreed. And there are some folks out here who can shed light on the > >> "Submarines" issue for you. > > > >Hey Melissa, I'm among those who could use a little light on that subject > >;) (that, or email me if you think it's too boring for the list). I know > >very few, if any, tales of TMDR songwriting inspiration. > > Wouldn't this be a good thing for part of the FES web site (or some other > Dolby-related site)? The stories about what inspired some of these songs? > Of course, we could have our own Dolby Urban Folklore faq (the DUF), where > we could list the stories of what inspired (or are rumored to have inspired) > some of these songs, and maybe TMDR could validate or invalidate the tales > for us. (Or perhaps he'd simply prefer this lore to remain "an enigma > wrapped in a mystery wrapped in a stuffed pita.") Just a thought. > I have the Cloudburst at Shingle Street story posted at my tmdr site, and I would like to post some others. - -Russell Milliner milliner@iag.net ------------------------------ Date: 25 May 97 13:30:03 EDT From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Alloy: T-shirt data update Shirtless Wonders, Here's the current roll call for t-shirts, as of Sunday, May 25, 10AM California. Please note I subscribe to Alloy in digest form so do not get an update but once a day , usually around midnight local. If you think you've requested one please check the list to assure your inclusion. Post me if you're not here and you want to be. Also, if I've misincluded you, let me know. ___People who are "in"___ ___Number of shirts requested___ Steven McDonald 1 thanks for being First! Robin ????? 1 at least James E. Hartman 1 so little time Lem Bingley 1 sans "Crucial" Neil Leacy 1 with in-equation Elaine Linstruth 3 partial to in-equation Monya De 1 I see her in a black baby-doll Suzanne ????? 1 loves "Ten Dollars" Dave ????? 1 definitely Brian Clayton 1 need confirmation, Bri Paul Baily 1 -free- TMDR 1 -free- Stephen Tilson 4 knows he's gonna love `em Juha Takkinen 1 fo-net-ik-lee yours Keith Stansell 1 Mile High cityboy Charles E. Kemp 1 Okie Dokie Indiana Pink Robyn Moore 1 embarrassed about fruitjuice E(lipse 1 Umbra Black? Barbara Cohen 1 a real sweetie - love the tagline ---- Current Total 25 Regarding TMDR's okie-dokie, I envision waiting until we have most all the details worked out, just to cut down on static, and to present a unified front. Cheers to ya, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 14:42:02 -0400 From: Melissa Jordan Subject: Re: Alloy: T-shirt data update At 01:30 PM 5/25/97 EDT, you wrote: >Shirtless Wonders, > >Here's the current roll call for t-shirts, as of Sunday, May 25, 10AM >California. Please note I subscribe to Alloy in digest form so do not get > I'm not on the list. Stick me on it. Need to nap. Thinking in short sentences. Must be the sunburn from yesterday... Gonna go whack some Spice Girls now. Cheers, Melissa Melissa R. Jordan Special Projects Manager International Programs Office Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858 (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 14:56:44 -0400 From: Melissa Jordan Subject: Alloy: shirt supply One of the members of our esteemed group recently indicated that he'd buy a shirt if they came in larger sizes. I have a wonderful source for VERY high quality larger 100% cotton t-shirts (up in the Bay Area.) Would the person who is making the shirts up consider accepting a couple of shirts from another source to print up? (And, to the person who asked about them, if you're interested in hearing more about them, let me know.) Happy Memorial Day - I'll be at the Erasure gig tomorrow night, while the rest of Washington is U2'ing at the sweaty overpacked arena. Cheers, Melissa Melissa R. Jordan Special Projects Manager International Programs Office Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858 (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 15:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mary A. Brown" Subject: Re: Alloy: T-shirt data update Miles, Count me in for a light colored one (gasp, wild for me since I do need a kleiglight to search in my closet because of all the black) with the "inequation" on it. Europa ________________________________________________________________________________ Mary A. Brown, Genetic Ingenue | Department of Biochemistry Phone: (606) 257-7039,-7349 | University of Kentucky Fax: (606) 323-1037 | 800 Rose St. E-mail: mabrown@pop.uky.edu | Lexington, KY 40536-0084 "Help me get through these cynical days/Help me get through my cynical ways" Colin Moulding _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 12:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Monya De Subject: Re: Alloy: Serious about t-shirts? > um...I don't know about the connotations involved here...you know, we're going to be the ones who see that phrase before we put the shirts on. Another reason to have "Mr Dolby Rejects Science..." or "In a corner of your mind's eye" on the back. > OK, as I recall, the immediate context of this line in "Weightless" > is: > > "She runs to the basin, > Fruit juice everywhere..." > > Given the fact that the woman had to run to the basin, I always > assumed that she, um, was unable to keep down the large > quantity of fruit juice she'd just imbibed. Since it went > everywhere, I always imagined her being rather violently ill. > Perhaps due to a sudden emotional upheaval. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 18:38:07 -0400 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: Beth Meyer & Fruitjuice Hi, all; >re: Fruit Juice Everywhere --- > > > By the way, speaking of "Weightless", that line that immediately follows > > the fruit juice line -- "drop one, drop two" -- is that a knitting > > reference? > >Ha! Are you testing the team? This *is* a joke, right? Well, yes and no. I knew I probably hadn't gotten it right and thought this would probably crack up a few folks (glad it had the intended effect), but yeah, this was how I always heard the lyric. You see, I first bought TGAOW in cassette tape form, and it didn't have the lyrics printed in it, so I was pretty much dependent on my own speech processing system (which, like everyone's, has a few bugs). So it was indeed enlightening to see the words in print -- thanks. >My own interpretation, you ask? How about, "Duh?" The awakening "dog" >really throws me, especially being, as it is, "in her head." In fact, the >last third of these lines seem like a collection of unrelated ideas if I >examine it too closely. Much like the work of Serault (think I'm not >spelling this correctly), a French painter who produced images by painting >tiny dots which when viewed from a great enough distance would resolve >themselves into the target image, but when viewed close up would seem just >dots. There was a philosophy and some science behind his technique I am >told, but right now it escapes me . . . Nice analogy. I think the artist's name was Seurat, and the technique called pointillism. I think he often gets mentioned in "sensation and perception" class to illustrate principles like "assimilation" (basically, fine dots of black on a white background will tend to look sort of like a uniform gray). > >So, Fruit juice everywhere? Stand back to get the full effect. Word art. Sounds like a good call. By the way, in spite of the fact that I find the mental image disconcerting, I actually do like it just fine as a quote without context on a t-shirt. Of course, I do have a soft spot for t-shirts that make other people go "huh?" >P.S. All you scientist types out there: lock the doors to your laboratories >--- go home and enjoy the weekend, please. Recreation builds strong minds >(and bodies). Sunlight is good for the soul --- emotional nutrition. You'll be so proud of me -- after collecting data all day on Saturday and formatting it today, I'm actually going HIKING on Memorial Day. ACTUAL TREES!!! YES!!! WOO-HOO!! (oops, sorry for the outburst) Beth M. P.S. Count me in on the shirts -- I sent a vote to Paul. I'll take whatever non-black color you have. And many thanks for your effort! (Say thanks from us to your friend too.) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.tfe.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 97 08:52:34 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Beth Meyer & Fruitjuice G'day Stephen, > But all those memories > Won't erase the empty feeling from in her heart . . . > Then a dog woke inside her head to watch the explosion > And a pipe started leaking as she bent to the basin > Fruit juice everywhere --- > Not one drop to fill me > >My own interpretation, you ask? How about, "Duh?" The awakening "dog" >really throws me, especially being, as it is, "in her head." In fact, the >last third of these lines seem like a collection of unrelated ideas if I >examine it too closely. Much like the work of Serault (think I'm not I had a bit of a think about the last four lines here and for what it's worth, here's my humble interpretation. The first impression I got on the "dogs" line was a play on the 'let sleeping dogs lie' line, as in carefully suppressed/avoided feelings being awoken? Pipe started leaking says to me either being overwhelmed by tears or coming apart at the seams (a small leak in a pipe under pressure wouldn't stay small for long methinks) or maybe both. ...and the fruit juice, well we all know turbulent/overwhelming emotions can make you physically sick to your stomach... Then again, as you say, maybe we're overanalysing by looking at the pixels and not the picture (pixels. gack! A geek term. I need to get out of the computer industry. :-) cheers, Paul. __________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT Mercenary http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:06:38 -0500 From: "James E. Hartman" Subject: RE: Alloy: shirt supply On Sunday, May 25, 1997 13:57, Melissa Jordan [SMTP:mjordan@goodwill.org] wrote: > One of the members of our esteemed group recently indicated that he'd buy a > shirt if they came in larger sizes. I have a wonderful source for VERY high > quality larger 100% cotton t-shirts (up in the Bay Area.) Would the person > who is making the shirts up consider accepting a couple of shirts from > another source to print up? (And, to the person who asked about them, if > you're interested in hearing more about them, let me know.) I'm the XXL/XXXL fan (well, one of 'em, anyway) that was interested in BIG shirts. If they're going to be available at the source, then all will be well - - otherwise, yeah, I'd like to know about them big shirts and how I can get 'em to where they need to be (eventually, covering my torso). - -- James E. Hartman | Austin, Texas | http://www.eden.com/~jhartman "A stick is your friend." --The Brain ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #97 **************************