From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #39 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, March 7 1997 Volume 02 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Hard-edged music [Monya De ] Re: Alloy: Re: Hard Edged Musix [Bill Hargreaves ] Re: Alloy: Re: Hard Edged Musix [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: The hardest words I know... [Paul Baily ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:12:21 -0800 (PST) From: Monya De Subject: Re: Alloy: Hard-edged music > Music doesn't need to have screaming guitars in order to be hard-edged. I Are you replying to me Robin?? I think I did say something about guitars but it was in relation to a particular station I listen to. For a really - -sharp- edge, listen to All Along the Watchtower by the Dave Matthews Band. The edge is all in his voice and the saxophone. (the rest is just acoustic background. Monya > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:20:01 GMT From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Hard Edged Musix At 22:33 05/03/97 -0500, OMEGA wrote: >I've always a loved a touch of pretentiousness, which is reflected in some of >the artists I listen too (like Bowie, and progressive rock) and the >those way-out-there elements. This is all due to my upbringing; as an >infant, my mother used to put to me bed while playing King Crimson! =) >(it was frustrating to rebel against parents like that. I'd bring home >weirder and weirder music,and my brother brought home heavier and heavier >music, while my mom would say, "Who's that? It sounds really cool!" :) > > YOU lucky devil!!! I bet many of us here wish we'd had a mum like that. Mine seemed to take almost no interest in music at all, and we didn't have a record player anywhere in the house until I was about 15. My dad could play the piano, but only did so occasionally and then only popular tunes from HIS formative years. When he did buy records it was usually from second hand shops and his choices seemed to me to be based on price, i.e. cheapness, rather than what he really wanted. He'd buy cheap covers rather than by the original artists. If I remember correctly, when he finally DID by a record player (from a second hand shop of course), the two records he bought at the time were Lena Horn's Greatest Hits and show songs played on the harp. I'd almost have preferd him not to haver bought the record player. I'm still scarred for life by one act of my father's which seemed to be earth shattering at the time. The Beatles Magical Mystery Tour was to be shown on TV and he wouldn't let me watch it. He wanted to watch Maigret or something else not nearly as important. This was in the days before video was even a glint in anyone's eye, so if you missed something there was no knowing when you might get a chance to see it again. I now have the video, but it was only last year when I finally saw MMT for the first time. As Alan Plater said in one of the Beidebecke books, "The world is made up of two kinds of people. Those who can hear the music and those who can't." I think this is absolutely true, but I still don't understand how some people have no musical preferences, just MOR pop, etc. Slarvibarglhee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Hard-edged music In a message dated 3/6/97 3:17:19 AM, you wrote: Moyna, I think the term 'hard-edged' tends to generally make people think of the guitar thing (screaming guitar, screaming vocalist). My letter was pretty much just thinking out loud while trying to define the term a little more accurately, not aimed at anyone in particular. All Along the Watchtower. . .is this a re-make of the Jimi Hendrix song?? Moyna originally said < >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 22:57:11 -0000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy:Urges cello solo >I only started cello lessons 5 months ago but it seems to be going pretty >well. Y'know it just occurred to me. The cello has such a distinct and charming (I think) sound, maybe TMDR could use one in a Flat Earth reprise? Y'know, say Cello, discrete drums, and piano. Hmm, TMDR unplugged, now /that/ would add a new dimension! > The bassline to "Urges" sounds as if it were written for cello already, >complex and so active! I REALLY HOPE there is a written out version of this >song somewhere in the world. I'm not fast enough on my cello yet by any means >to follow it along by ear, but every time I hear it I want to play along. Is >there a computer program that will write it out for me all conveniently? 'fraid not, yet. If you like I can put the notes down for it, not sure I could write the timing though, I play by ear myself so my notation skills are mighty rusty. > or >have I been reading too much Philip K. Dick lately. . . Hey this is Alloy. With all our minds in a phased array, we can, after all, remember it for you wholesale... >I played string bass starting at age 11, and yes, it's fun to play an >instrument that's bigger than you. . .but it can be a lot like a >mud-wrestling match, sometimes. Well, erm, having never participated in mud-wrestling myself, I hope you don't mind if I live this one out vicariously. Jelly wrestling, on the other hand... ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist! Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:02:28 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Hard Edged Musix In a message dated 3/6/97 12:28:13 AM, Omega wrote: << To bring this all back to TMDR, I think I was drawn into his music for similar reasons--though not hargd-edged, certainly, but having the same frenetic intensity shared by thst ilk (but lacking the pretentions). It was refreshingly honest music. >> I agree, it's wonderfully honest, intense, personal work. Another factor for me is the incredible quality of Dolby's voice. He has amazing range & can be gentle one second and aggressive the next without missing a beat. And his vibrato is perfection! Many classical musicians would benefit from following the example he sets for subtlety, tension and effective use of this ornament. Robin :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 12:46:49 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: The hardest words I know... [Please forgive the digression here, as you know I don't usually do this, but I couldn't let it go by unannounced. Indulge me here huh?] Hi all, These are not the hardest words I know, but they're pretty high up on that list. One of Alloy's long-time and most valuable members, Mary Brown a.k.a. Europa, has asked me to unsubscribe her from the list for personal reasons. Mary joined the group way back in the Kaleidospace dolby-list days and has been a strong (but shy!) supporter of Alloy since the day it began. Meeting with, and talking one-on-one with TMDR on more than one occasion as well as a long friendship with his father Martin Robertson has meant Mary's been able to offer some unique and valuable insights into the Dolby penomenon, and the gentleman himself, Thomas Morgan Dolby Robertson. Mary my friend, au revoir. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's sad to see you leave. You'll be missed. Please do rejoin us when things are better for you. Since I'll be (reluctantly) complying with Mary's request to unsubscribe her right after this message, if you want to get in touch with Mary, her address is mabrown@pop.uky.edu stay well, Paul. __________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT Mercenary http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #39 **************************