From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #38 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, March 6 1997 Volume 02 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [Neil Leacy ] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: A River of Spice, a Ribbon of Thyme. [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [Bill Hargreaves ] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [Neil Leacy ] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [Bill Hargreaves ] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Hard-edged music [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy:Urges cello solo [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations ["Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 08:20:33 From: Neil Leacy Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations Stop It, Stop It, Stop It! Your all making me cry in my coffee! You think you've got it bad try listening to the national choices we have in the UK! Radio One - catch line 'more new music'. In a word bollocks. It should read 'more new but not necessarily very good indie stuff that we force feed to pre-pubescent kids fronted by some incredibly naff DJ's who spout off cheap and snide remarks at easy media targets'. One of the best ever UK music programmes is hosted by Andy Kershaw who travels the world bringing back interesting music but because he made some unsavoury comments about certain BBC officials has had his show relegated to the graveyard slot. (Oops, venting my spleen a bit there, sorry). Radio Two - MOR, Cabaret, Country and Light Jazz Radio Three - Classical, Jazz (quite good actually) Radio Four - Talk, documentaries, plays Radio Five - Sport Classic FM - Classical but with more advertising then I care to listen too. And then we have local radio! Spire FM (our local, so called because of the Salisbury Cathedral spire which can be seen from miles around) actually admits to be very formulaeic(sp?) even to the point of using a computer program to choose it's daily play list and pointing out that they always play an upbeat tune after the news 'because people know it makes them feel better to hear it'. The majority of other local stations tend to pick a couple of decades and stick to them i.e. 'the music of the 70's and 80's' or 'we play the hits of the 90's and nothin' else'. OOOOh for more variety! (Thankyou for letting me blow my top, etc. Once started it was hard to stop ). Reagrds, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/britax/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:30:29 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Collaboration [submitted by: Monya De] > > Without a doubt. The stations that I can pick up here where I live are > playing stuff Depeche Mode's only US hit from the 80's on the "modern" > rock station. It's either that or the "hot-hits" station, that plays the > latest Celine Dion song 3 times an hour. > Only 3 times? You are lucky...this station rotates 4 songs throughout the day.(But they did give ILYGB decent airplay...how would I have gotten into TMDR otherwise??:)) My other option is the hard rock/alternative station which does have ok variety, but you've got to be in the mood for squealing guitars.. Monya - ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:30:32 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [submitted by: Thomas Slack ] 'Ello Alloy, Long time lurker here, peeping out from under the shell to add to an interesting thread. Pittsburgh seems to be jumping on the mainstream "alternative" (how's that for an oxymoron) bandwagon by converting a couple of the "new country" stations (guess that trend is dying) to the same hard-edge format you all are describing. I can't listen to them, any more than I can listen to the classic rock station. There is a member-supported public station here, WYEP, that plays an eclectic mix of new music, the type that isn't pushed heavily by the music industry types that are propulgating mallternative (I love that!). It's where I usually here cool new stuff (first heard Astronauts & Heretics there), and I may as well hot-wire my car radio to 91.3. Any other locales out there have this type of station? Tom Slack - ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:30:36 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: A River of Spice, a Ribbon of Thyme. [submitted by Monya De] > > a) Soundtrack to GOTHIC > b) Any TMDR videos other than "gate". > c) Any Prefab Sprout vids. > > Are either of these still current anywhere? Does anyone want to > sell a copy? > Gothic and The Golden Age of vid can be found @ Virgin in London. The video is in UK format. I really thought I was going to cry when I was in the store, grabbed a copy of the video, and suddenly realized that I wouldn't be able to play it at home. Monya - ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:30:34 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [submitted by Monya De] > classic rock station, Q107, also does but on rare occassion). > But then again, I have a predisposition to harder edged music > anyway. Are there other Thomas Dolby fans out there that are like that, or > am I in a very tiny minority? :) > mmm, yeah, I don't ever -choose- to listen to Mariah Carey , for example. I don't even own a single CD with a girl as a member of the group. Anyone out there like that?? Monya > > - ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:59:54 GMT From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations At 08:20 05/03/97, Neil Leacy wrote: >Stop It, Stop It, Stop It! > >Your all making me cry in my coffee! > >You think you've got it bad try listening to the national choices we have >in the UK! > > Hey, you forgot Jazz FM, which has its moments of brilliance. I seem to have started something with my plea for KLCX, with the resultant rage about the lack of good radio stations. I don't think we'vet had so much mail from Alloy on a single subject for quite a while. Perhaps Thomas will pick up on our dissatisfaction and start his own radio station )which wouldn't help my cause unless he opened a branch office in the UK). Looking through the other recent mails on this subject, I'm not sure what is meant by 'harder edged' music. Being an ageing ex-hippie I love to hear progressive rock on the radio, preferably that I don't have in my own collection, but I don't restrict myself to any one niche. I like many types of music, but like most of you who've mailed recently, I get sick of the standard play lists and the same golden oldies resurfacing every so often. There ARE some good radio progs out there, but many are on the graveyard shift or hidden away where only the persistent will find them. The one show I COULD listen to on Radio 1 was Mark Radcliffe, who used to have the 10pm to midnight slot, but he's been 'promoted' to the Breakfast Show, which I hope won't be the ruin of him. I wasn't keen on everything he played, but it WAS very varied and he WAS genuinely funny and original (IMO). If only he'd played more ROCK!!!!!! What I Liked about KLCX's philosophy was that they only played ALBUM tracks. Some of these may have been singles as well, but many were not. Maybe one day my dream will come true; until then, it's back to the walkman/diskman/hi-fi. Anyroadup, I'll get off this soapbox again and make way for the next wild eyed fanatic. TTFN Slarvibarglhee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 23:19:18 -0000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Weightless >I've always thought 'Weightless" was about an event in the artist's life, >perhaps having to spend the summer on business in America while missing a >good friend in England. The end, "weightless in condensation" reminds me of >an airplane flight (perhaps she went to visit??) Beautiful vocals in that >particular piece, I love it too. Hmm, that puts a new twist on it for me, I always had the impression it was of the character[s] (i.e. different situations, same circumstance) being driven by harrowing travel/business schedule at the cost of everything else, but then again maybe I've always though of it as a reprise of Flying North. Hadn't thought of it that way though - will listen with a fresh outlook next time. >Would anyone happen to have the written music to "Urges", by any chance? I >want to figure it out on my cello but having trouble doing it by ear! Sheesh, you can play cello!? I've always admired people who can play fretless instruments; I have enough trouble hitting notes /with/ frets. Though I will admit the fretless bass is one of the four instruments I'd really like to learn sometime in my life. It has a real crooning quality to it methinks. Oh the other three? Piano (as in quaint acoustic keyboard sans sequencer, no ADSR envelope, one patch only), guitar, and saxophone (can't quite justify spending the AUS$1k but if someone would invent one with a headphone socket so I wouldn't drive neighbours batty practising, hey I'm there! :-) cheers, Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT contractor http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 13:34:41 From: Neil Leacy Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations >At 08:20 05/03/97, Neil Leacy wrote: >>Stop It, Stop It, Stop It! >> >>Your all making me cry in my coffee! >> >>You think you've got it bad try listening to the national choices we have >>in the UK! >> >> > >Hey, you forgot Jazz FM, which has its moments of brilliance. Sob, I'm afraid it doesn't reach us here in the wilds of Wiltshire (my coffee's getting more and more watered down as this thread goes on ). >Looking through the other recent mails on this subject, I'm not sure what is >meant by 'harder edged' music. Being an ageing ex-hippie I love to hear >progressive rock on the radio, preferably that I don't have in my own >collection, but I don't restrict myself to any one niche. I like many types >of music, but like most of you who've mailed recently, I get sick of the >standard play lists and the same golden oldies resurfacing every so often. In the mid-70's during my formative teenage years (all spots and wild testosterone) Fluff was God! Alan Freeman (Fluff) used to have a show on Radio One every Saturday afternoon and it was him more than any other DJ I owe my love of progressive/contemporary music too. He would manage to mix ELP, Deep Purple, Shostakovich, Free, Beethoven and Patrick Moraz solo works in one show and I'd enjoy every minute of it and .... whooaa, I've just realised I'm remeniscing about something I used to do 20 years ago (just sitting back and enjoying the moment)! Now no other mailing list has made me do that before Reagrds, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/britax/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 13:42:18 From: Neil Leacy Subject: Alloy: 'Gothic' like album I may be out of turn with this but I'd like to suggest a non-TMDR album that's worth a listen, especially if you like the Gothic soundtrack album. It's called 'Wire We Here' by an independant artist called John Greenland. He writes,plays and produces the whole thing and, if you like it slightly off the wall, is really a very good album. There are times when it reminds me of Gothic with it's quirky arrangements and sounds. In fact each track sounds like the soundtrack to a short film, as the arrangement ducks and dives, bobs and weaves. The production is excellent and it's available direct from John if you email him at KulturK@aol.com. BTW - I've nothing to do with John other than this has been one of my Top 5 albums since I bought it about 18 months ago. Reagrds, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/britax/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:22:34 GMT From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations At 13:34 05/03/97, Neil Leacy wrote: >> >>Hey, you forgot Jazz FM, which has its moments of brilliance. > >Sob, I'm afraid it doesn't reach us here in the wilds of Wiltshire (my >coffee's getting more and more watered down as this thread goes on ). > Now, that IS sad. There's some quite good stuff on there at times. My son thinks I'm bonkers when I sit in the car outside the chip shop on a Friday night (while HE goes for the chips (that's fries to any of you chaps from the US)) and listen to the Latin Jazz hour. Those guys could teach us a lot about rhythm and having a good time. >In the mid-70's during my formative teenage years (all spots and wild >testosterone) Fluff was God! Alan Freeman (Fluff) used to have a show on >Radio One every Saturday afternoon and it was him more than any other DJ >I owe my love of progressive/contemporary music too. Sounds like you and I were on a parallel course during the 70's, Neil. Patrick Moraz, eh? I can count the friends of mine who have albums of his on the fingers of a two fingered man. Now HE'S a man who like to use Brazilian percussionists, as on his 'i' album. Did you ever hear the 'Refugee' album? I managed to find it in a 'deleted' bin, many years ago, but it was unplayable. Ah yes, where would we Brits be (musically) today if it weren't for Fluff and John Peel? And Fluff isn't even ENGLISH, he iss ein New Zzzzealander, but ve von't hold zat againzt him, vill we? Oops sorry, slipped into an accent there. Good old Fluff, you gotta give him credit. He's getting ever so old and wrinkly but he's still into rock. He was a guest on someone's 'This is your life' show a few weeks ago (was it Toyah Wilcox????). It always amazes me how small he is for such a deep voice. He's got legs like Toulouse Lautrec. I hope I still have as much enthusiasm for rock when (if) I get to his age. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 15:38:40 From: Neil Leacy Subject: Re: Alloy: Weightless Paul said. >Sheesh, you can play cello!? I've always admired people who can play >fretless instruments; I have enough trouble hitting notes /with/ frets. >Though I will admit the fretless bass is one of the four instruments I'd >really like to learn sometime in my life. It has a real crooning quality >to it methinks. Oh the other three? Piano (as in quaint acoustic keyboard >sans sequencer, no ADSR envelope, one patch only), guitar, and saxophone >(can't quite justify spending the AUS$1k but if someone would invent one >with a headphone socket so I wouldn't drive neighbours batty practising, >hey I'm there! :-) Didn't Yamaha produce an Electronic Wind Instrument some time back? I saw a Clannad concert a few years ago and the support artist played guitar for all but one song where she played this incredible solo peice on what look like part of C3PO's leg! I'm sure that'll have a head 'phone socket. I know what you mean about cost. We've just spent 300uk pounds on my daughters clarinet - now all I've got to do is persuade her to practice a bit more! Reagrds, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/britax/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:54:46 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations Monya, Your ban on girls in your CD collection leaves you bereft of Siouxie and the Banshees, Rasputina, Laurie Anderson, Lene Lovitch, Kronos Quartet, Nina Hagen etc. There DOES seem to be a problem in the music industry of women being hired in bands for their looks and not for their talent (if indeed any is present) but as my list shows, there are many other music groups that this does NOT apply to! Thanks, Robin RThurF@aol.com PREVIOUS MESSAGES TO WHICH I'M RESPONDING: [submitted by Monya De] > classic rock station, Q107, also does but on rare occassion). > But then again, I have a predisposition to harder edged music > anyway. Are there other Thomas Dolby fans out there that are like that, or > am I in a very tiny minority? :) > mmm, yeah, I don't ever -choose- to listen to Mariah Carey , for example. I don't even own a single CD with a girl as a member of the group. Anyone out there like that?? Monya > > - ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- - ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >From owner-alloy@smoe.org Wed Mar 5 03:33:44 1997 Return-Path: owner-alloy@smoe.org Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by emin04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA00218; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:33:43 -0500 Received: from jane.smoe.org (smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id DAA18976; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA22337; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:32:16 -0500 Received: by jane.smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:32:06 -0500 Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA22255; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:31:25 -0500 Received: from inet03.citec.qld.gov.au by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA22232; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:30:56 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by inet03.citec.qld.gov.au (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA20379 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:30:37 +1000 (EST) Received: from citecuf.citec.qld.gov.au(147.132.176.10) by inet03.citec.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma020363; Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:30:22 +1000 Received: from [161.143.54.57] (bailyp.premiers.qld.gov.au [161.143.54.57]) by citecuf.citec.qld.gov.au (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA08263 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:30:21 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199703050830.SAA08263@citecuf.citec.qld.gov.au> Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:30:34 +1000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0 x49, February 10, 1997 From: Paul Baily To: "Alloy" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:37:15 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Hard-edged music Music doesn't need to have screaming guitars in order to be hard-edged. I just saw Mahler's Second Symphony this weekend performed here in Boston & Mahler definitely gave his music a hard edge (this is also referred to as the "Ressurection" symphony) At a live performance, it is beyond compare! For music to have an edge it should have some sort of direct force behind it, an emotional announcement that is strongly communicated to the audience. I like unusual instrumental combinations, and for things with vocals there MUST be a skillful singer to do the work. If the work is highly intelligent in some way this is very cool. . .there is a local musician here who researches Medieval music manuscripts, transcribes them, makes period instrument replicas and performs the work - this is so cool it's almost unbearable! Skill, uniqueness, variety and intent of content are therefore crucial elements in any music, or any other art for that matter. The difference between good, edgy stuff and "baby I love you" songs should now be obvious! Loud grinding guitars DO fit in to the good side of it now and then. . . Robin :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:58:46 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy:Urges cello solo In a message dated 3/5/97 9:11:43 AM, Paul wrote: <> I only started cello lessons 5 months ago but it seems to be going pretty well. The bassline to "Urges" sounds as if it were written for cello already, complex and so active! I REALLY HOPE there is a written out version of this song somewhere in the world. I'm not fast enough on my cello yet by any means to follow it along by ear, but every time I hear it I want to play along. Is there a computer program that will write it out for me all conveniently? or have I been reading too much Philip K. Dick lately. . . I played string bass starting at age 11, and yes, it's fun to play an instrument that's bigger than you. . .but it can be a lot like a mud-wrestling match, sometimes. Robin :) RThurF@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 17:10:12 -0800 From: "Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations At 09.19 97.03.04 -0500, you wrote: >Anyway, >have others had similar experiences with the "alternative" scene shifting >to a harder, heavy-metalish scene? > Actually, it's kind of the opposite here...our 'alternative' station seems to be trending toward early '80s retro, as opposed to getting harder edged. I am kind of pleased with them, though. According to a friend of mine, about 6 months or so ago, they had "Hot Sauce" in regular rotation, which meant it came up every few days to a week. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be on their schedule any more, but I may call and bug the DJ for it on principle. ;) Robyn @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.hevanet.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 17:18:00 -0800 From: "Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" Subject: Re: Alloy: A River of Spice, a Ribbon of Thyme. At 16.07 97.03.04 MST, you wrote: >Yo yo yo.. greetings all! > >I'm looking for some goodies that are IMPOSSIBLE to get here in >Calgary, and quite probably Canada... I was wondering if my >fellow Dolbyphiles could help me find it... > >a) Soundtrack to GOTHIC I'm in Portland, Oregon, and I occasionally find import (England) copies of this one at one of the local new/used record stores. As a matter of fact, my copy was the first CD I ever bought, even before we had a player. >b) Any TMDR videos other than "gate". By a huge stroke of luck, I managed to find a video store chain (Suncoast) that had a backlog of the laserdisc version of "Golden Age of Wireless", but I don't know if they're in Canada. Me, I'm on the search for a copy of "Live Wireless", but all I've found so far are a couple of false leads. >c) Any Prefab Sprout vids. Sorry, no help at all on this one. I'd be rather interested myself. Robyn @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.hevanet.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:33:37 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Dawe Subject: Alloy: Re: Hard Edged Musix On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 RThurF@aol.com wrote: > OMEGA YOU ARE NOT ALONE! That's a relief! ;-) > I too love the hard-edged stuff. I started off at > age 4 when I first experienced Ziggy Stardust (on TV!), and my taste for the > hard-edged and preferrably bizarre has been carreening out of control ever > since--in music as well as other types of art. You lucky devil. Don't get me going on about Bowie now... I've always a loved a touch of pretentiousness, which is reflected in some of the artists I listen too (like Bowie, and progressive rock) and the those way-out-there elements. This is all due to my upbringing; as an infant, my mother used to put to me bed while playing King Crimson! =) (it was frustrating to rebel against parents like that. I'd bring home weirder and weirder music,and my brother brought home heavier and heavier music, while my mom would say, "Who's that? It sounds really cool!" :) To bring this all back to TMDR, I think I was drawn into his music for similar reasons--though not hargd-edged, certainly, but having the same frenetic intensity shared by thst ilk (but lacking the pretentions). It was refreshingly honest music. Or maybe it was because I was big Gary Numan fan at the time that I discovered She Blinded Me with Science? Anyway, TMDR's music has over the years evolved and become increasingly complex (yet maintaining a deceptively simple facade) my tastes too evolved along with him, to enjoy every successive album he made. I've actually developed an appreciation for funk via AAMB! I'll end there before I write my life history. :-) - --Omega - -------------------------------------------------- omega@torfree.net - Proud member of #SkAS# Skuld Appreciation Society, Goddess of De-buggers! - -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #38 **************************