From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #37 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, March 5 1997 Volume 02 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Weightless [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations ["Steven A. Walton" ] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [Keith Dawe ] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Alloy: A River of Spice, a Ribbon of Thyme. ["Dan Swan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations > In Boston, there is a supposedly "alternative" music scene, which is mostly > very repetetive. WFNX used to be very cool (I heard nina Hagen there once!) > when I first moved here 4 years ago. . .now it is all the same grunge, over > and over and over again. PITY! I wonder if this is a trend in all alternative stations. 5 years ago, CFNY here in Toronto used to be excellent (Hagen, too!), but now they have become "The Edge" and it's all much harder (It's quite interesting that they consciously stopped using their call letters about 2.5 years ago, so when I refer to "CFNY" to a friend who moved here a year ago, he doesn't know what I am talking about, even though he listens to "102.1, The Edge!" all the time. Strange station politics and image-making). They are still OK, and some nights are excellent (Retro Sunday nights, e.g.) Anyway, have others had similar experiences with the "alternative" scene shifting to a harder, heavy-metalish scene? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 19:42:38 -0800 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations Steven A. Walton wrote: > > > In Boston, there is a supposedly "alternative" music scene, which is mostly > > very repetetive. WFNX used to be very cool (I heard nina Hagen there once!) > > when I first moved here 4 years ago. . .now it is all the same grunge, over > > and over and over again. PITY! > > I wonder if this is a trend in all alternative stations. 5 years ago, > CFNY here in Toronto used to be excellent (Hagen, too!), but now they have > become "The Edge" and it's all much harder (It's quite interesting that > they consciously stopped using their call letters about 2.5 years ago, so > when I refer to "CFNY" to a friend who moved here a year ago, he doesn't > know what I am talking about, even though he listens to "102.1, The Edge!" > all the time. Strange station politics and image-making). They are still > OK, and some nights are excellent (Retro Sunday nights, e.g.) Anyway, > have others had similar experiences with the "alternative" scene shifting > to a harder, heavy-metalish scene? > > Steve I don't listen to our mainstream 'alternative' station anymore, except on Thursday nights (yes, retro), and haven't been listening to the radio long enough here to know what it used to be like. "105.7, The Point!" they call themselves, although they still use their call letters occasionally since they're KPNT (anyone would look at you oddly if you called them that though). We also just got a new station here - that plays -exactly- the same stuff all of the -other- stations play. And all of them play the same things over and over and over.. Whatever happened to "find a niche and fill it?" They're all trying to squeeze into the -same- niche. I wish techno would become popular enough to warrent a radio station. Without becoming pop-trash, even. - -- E(lipse (by the way, 'ello Alloids... I've been a taproom member since October, and reading the mail list since January, but I'm fairly quiet..) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:07:03 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Dawe Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Steven A. Walton wrote: > I wonder if this is a trend in all alternative stations. 5 years ago, > CFNY here in Toronto used to be excellent (Hagen, too!), but now they have > become "The Edge" and it's all much harder (It's quite interesting that Well, it's much better than those all-dance/rap or middle of the road pop music station sthat the Americans have to suffer with! ;-) At least Toronto has a wide selection of stations, including the Classic Rock, Dance, Rap, etc. stations. In spite this, CFNY is the only station I *can* listen to even if it only plays what I like some of the time (the classic rock station, Q107, also does but on rare occassion). But then again, I have a predisposition to harder edged music anyway. Are there other Thomas Dolby fans out there that are like that, or am I in a very tiny minority? :) - --Omega - -------------------------------------------------- omega@torfree.net - Proud member of #SkAS# Skuld Appreciation Society, Goddess of De-buggers! - -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:34:45 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations When I left Washington DC, the formerly-cool WHFS had become a hybrid of alternative and hot-hits (meaning they took decent music and ran it into the ground by playing the same things over and over). It was becoming slightly more heavy, but only by playing stuff like NIN... which some people consider heavy and others consider mainstream. I saw two quotes in an issue of Rolling Stone magazine talking about the current state of "alternative" music: it's entering its "Journey" years, and we might as well re-name it "mallternative." Had to happen eh! On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Steven A. Walton wrote: > have others had similar experiences with the "alternative" scene shifting > to a harder, heavy-metalish scene? > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:49:17 -0500 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations At 11:34 AM 3/4/97 -0800, Elaine wrote: > >When I left Washington DC, the formerly-cool WHFS had become a hybrid of >alternative and hot-hits (meaning they took decent music and ran it into >the ground by playing the same things over and over). It was becoming >slightly more heavy, but only by playing stuff like NIN... which some >people consider heavy and others consider mainstream. WHFS is ...okay... but you're right about them finding good music and then playing it into the ground. I can't listen to HFS for long periods anymore. I've become a dial gypsy, and, more and more, I find myself tuning into NPR or popping in a mix tape rather than listening to most of what I find on DC rock or alternative (whatever the hell that really means) radio. Cheers, Melissa (listening to Vivaldi's "Gloria" right now and wishing no one else was in the office so I could sing along without an unappreciative audience...) - ------------------- Melissa R. Jordan - ------------------- Special Projects Manager International Programs Office Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858 (phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:42:09 -0800 From: "Robert Kennedy" Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations Here in Seattle (please don't hate us for the last 7 years of music), The trend has been towards "grunge" alternative. While KNDD at 107.7 does play Nina Hagen or even Dolby, it's rare and only it seems during the "retro" hour. Even then you will only hear the "popular" songs from those artists. Like 99 Red Balloons (can't remember the German for that title...I like the German version best...). Worst of all, Marco Collins the former (and this JUST happened) Program Director for KNDD is rated among the top 3 PDs nationwide. Which means that KNDD is probably a model for a lot of other stations. Especially those in smaller markets. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 16:07:54 MST From: "Dan Swan" Subject: Alloy: A River of Spice, a Ribbon of Thyme. Yo yo yo.. greetings all! I'm looking for some goodies that are IMPOSSIBLE to get here in Calgary, and quite probably Canada... I was wondering if my fellow Dolbyphiles could help me find it... a) Soundtrack to GOTHIC b) Any TMDR videos other than "gate". c) Any Prefab Sprout vids. Are either of these still current anywhere? Does anyone want to sell a copy? If you can help me, I'll be forever indebted, and will put in a good word for you with the deity of your choice. ............................................................................. "And if you want to Swan, one to one... kid, we don't need a pond." -Prefab Sprout Dan Swan at U of Calgary. http://www.ucalgary.ca/~dswan Standard Disclaimers Apply, Finger for PGP. ............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Dawe Subject: Re: Alloy: A River of Spice, a Ribbon of Thyme. On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Dan Swan wrote: > a) Soundtrack to GOTHIC I'm sure this is deleted. However, I have come across it at used record stores. You'll just have to look around. That's how I acquired my copy (yes, I'm in Canada BTW). > b) Any TMDR videos other than "gate". Again, any others are not currently available. Maybe as an import? > c) Any Prefab Sprout vids. Not that I know of. Other than the short music videos Much Music has run a few times in the past (I suppose a MM Spotlight is the only way to get a collection :() - --Omega - -------------------------------------------------- omega@torfree.net - Proud member of #SkAS# Skuld Appreciation Society, Goddess of De-buggers! - -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:08:06 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations OMEGA YOU ARE NOT ALONE! I too love the hard-edged stuff. I started off at age 4 when I first experienced Ziggy Stardust (on TV!), and my taste for the hard-edged and preferrably bizarre has been carreening out of control ever since--in music as well as other types of art. Robin :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:33:00 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Lame radio stations THIS FROM TUESDAY: > I wonder if this is a trend in all alternative stations. 5 years ago, > CFNY here in Toronto used to be excellent (Hagen, too!), but now they have > become "The Edge" and it's all much harder (It's quite interesting that > they consciously stopped using their call letters about 2.5 years ago, so > when I refer to "CFNY" to a friend who moved here a year ago, he doesn't > know what I am talking about, even though he listens to "102.1, The Edge!" > all the time. Strange station politics and image-making). They are still > OK, and some nights are excellent (Retro Sunday nights, e.g.) Anyway, > have others had similar experiences with the "alternative" scene shifting > to a harder, heavy-metalish scene? > > Steve I don't listen to our mainstream 'alternative' station anymore, except on Thursday nights (yes, retro), and haven't been listening to the radio long enough here to know what it used to be like. "105.7, The Point!" they call themselves, although they still use their call letters occasionally since they're KPNT (anyone would look at you oddly if you called them that though). We also just got a new station here - that plays -exactly- the same stuff all of the -other- stations play. And all of them play the same things over and over and over.. Whatever happened to "find a niche and fill it?" They're all trying to squeeze into the -same- niche. I wish techno would become popular enough to warrent a radio station. Without becoming pop-trash, even. - -- E(lipse (by the way, 'ello Alloids... I've been a taproom member since October, and reading the mail list since January, but I'm fairly quiet..) TO WHICH I SAY Weeeird! I think FNX in Boston is now calling themselves "The Edge", or something along the same lines. What edge, I'd like to know! Robin :) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #37 **************************