From: owner-50s60s70s-digest@smoe.org (50s60s70s-digest) To: 50s60s70s-digest@smoe.org Subject: 50s60s70s-digest V1 #7 Reply-To: 50s60s70s@smoe.org Sender: owner-50s60s70s-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-50s60s70s-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk 50s60s70s-digest Tuesday, January 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 007 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * 50s60s70s-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: 50s60s70s-digest V1 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: R&R: Mama's and the Papa's lyric question... ["Lew - New World Wareh] R&R: Most influential albums ["Lew - New World Warehouse" Subject: Re: R&R: Mama's and the Papa's lyric question... I'm thinking it's the "preacher likes the cold" and I did a little web search and so far, no one has mentioned the "coal" version, but then again, they could have all gotten it from each other....but "cold" does make quite a bit of sense since he's thinking about the warmness of california and all that....I remember at one point in time, when I first heard it, I thought he said "the preacher'd like to go home"....which kinda makes sense with the "gonna stay" line, but now I can't hear it that way anymore....oh well Lew www.coilback.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:59:19 -0600 From: "Lew - New World Warehouse" Subject: R&R: Most influential albums Let me start this out by stating, I'm a child of the 80-90s as well...I'm only 26, but I love 60s music and get a lot of influence musically from John Lennon and Jim Morrison. So from a musician's standpoint, here are a few albums I think were a major influence... The Beatles - Please Please Me - The main reason I picked this one, is because it was their first one. They started a whole revolution as soon as they teamed up with George Martin in the studio. They were the first rock band to really be recorded "right" (by today's standards) because George Martin was used to recording classical and had a better ear for tones and such. Listen to any other albums put out at that time and they just sound "old". The Beatles first album, even with the older equipment, still has a richness and clarity which made a major mark on the recording process. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper... - Well, just listen to it...there's still really nothing like it out there The Doors - (the first one) I think Jim Morrison really paved the way for "dark rock" people like Ozzy, Dio, and Danzig (hell Danzig almost sounds like Doors). I think he really took a lot of the innocence away from rock. Jimi Hendrix (any of em) - Jimi reinvented the way electric guitar was played. You could say the 80s pretty much spawned from him. Janis Joplin (the Big Brother stuff) - I really think Janis was the original bad girl of rock. She really kicked ass on the live albums I've heard. She could get a crowd going. Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow - when I think of psychedlic rock, these guys come to mind before the Greatful Dead for me. They really did a lot of experimentation (in music and other things) and Grace Slick really showed that a woman could have a ballsy voice. The Monkees -Head soundtrack - yes, the monkees. They were the original "formula boy band". They didn't exist and the corporate music machine constructed them....the difference is, they actually said "screw the marketing" and attempted to become a legitimate band. Some would argue if they ever did. The saddest part for me is the fact, that it really seemed they peaked musically during "Head". The songs there are really strong, they even redid "Circle Sky" on their 90s comeback album (Justus). They were writing a lot of their material (especially Peter and Mike) and it was sounding like really good stuff. By that point, though, a lot of people had given up on them Thats all I can think of right now...I'm sorta sticking to the 60s because I don't know much about the 70s stuff, but Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, and the Byrds are all worth mentioning as well. Lew www.coilback.com Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:48:03 -0500 From: "Jeff Green" Subject: R&R: Re: 50s60s70s-digest V1 #5 top ten most influential albums of the 60's and 70's? younger reader here. I grew up on the indie rock of the 80's and 90's ( I Know I am YOUNG), however I have become increasingly interested in influential artists of this time period and just wondered what sort of lists you guys would come up with seeing whereas this isn't really my specialty and I am here to learn. Teach me, perhaps. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:47:47 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: R&R: Further Down The Road In a message dated 1/21/2002 12:21:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Steve responded with regard to queries about "The Road" by Danny O'Keefe: >>> originally covered by jackson brown<< > > Indeed. I completely forgot about Jackson's version. Of course, this > doesn't go any further in helping me find the chord transcriptions. Guess > I'll have to put in a request to my ol' friend Ron G who may well be > lurking on this list somewhere. Hey Professor, are you out there? Can you > hear this? I know you know this song, especially if JB covered it. How > `bout figuring it out for me? I'll pay it forward...somehow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:19:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: R&R: Side1, Track 1 <> There are a bazillion, of course. These are not the best or the most influential or anything like that, just some of my faves: 1. "You Are The Sunshine of My Life" (Stevie Wonder, Talking Book) 2. "Repectable Street" (XTC, Black Sea) 3. "Tangled Up In Blue" (Bob Dylan, Blood On The Tracks) 4. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (Nirvana, Nevermind) 5. "Court And Spark" (Joni Mitchell, Court & Spark) 6. "Surrender" (Cheap Trick, Heaven Tonight) 7. "Listen to the Music" (Doobie Brothers, Toulouse Street) 8. "Bodhisattva" (Steely Dan, Countdown to Ecstasy) 9. "Hells Bells" (AC/DC, Back In Black) 10. "Brown Sugar" (Rolling Stones, Sticky Fingers) Bob NP: Bob Dylan/The Band, "I Shall Be Released" 1/14/74 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:24:05 EST From: Honoku@aol.com Subject: R&R: i am sam i love Beatles' songs, both the originals, the alternates/bootlegs, and cover versions. i generally love cover versions of any band i am a fan of, but i am really a sucker for Beatles covers. over the years i have heard some good ones, and others less then great, but the new soundtrack to the movie "i am sam" is up there with the best. highly recommended in the context i have mentioned above. steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:49:44 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: R&R: Re: The Road >> Another great song by Danny O'Keefe is "The Road," which was covered by Bill Morrisey and Greg Brown on their duet record a few years ago. It's an incredible tune that I would LOVE to have the chord transcriptions for. I've searched everywhere for it on the internet but to no avail. Anyone with any info about this song? << The coolest thing about this song . . . well, Jackson Browne's version from "Running on Empty," anyway . . . is the way the first two verses, the first chorus, and the third verse were all recorded in a Maryland hotel room on JB's 1977 tour. But then, in the second chorus, after the phrase "you got it down," it seamlessly segues to a live version of the song from the Garden State Arts Center two weeks later. If you've never noticed that before, go listen now, and I promise you'll always listen for it in the future. RG THE ROAD . . . Danny O'Keefe G: 320003 G+: 3x1003 D/F#: 2x023x A7/C#: x42223 Intro: (G)(G+) . . . (G)(G+) (G)Highways and (G+)dance halls A (G)good song takes you (G+)far (G)You write a(D/F#)bout the (Em)moon And you (C)dream a(G/B)bout the (Am)stars (G)Blues in old ho(G+)tel rooms (G)Girls in Daddy's (G+)cars (G)You sing a(D/F#)bout the (Em)nights And you (C)laugh a(G/B)bout the (Am)scars (G)Coffee in the (G+)morning' (G)Cocaine after(G+)noon (G)You talk a(D/F#)bout the (Em)weather And you (C)grin a(G/B)bout the (Am)room (G)Phone calls long (G+)distance To (G)tell you how you've (G+)been You for(G)get a(D/F#)bout the (Em)losses You ex(C)agger(G/B)ate the (Am)wins (Em)But when you (Am7)stop to let 'em (A7/C#)know you got it (C)down It's (C)just an(G/B)other (Am7)town a(D/F#)long the (G)road (G+) ... (G)(G+) Ladies come to see you If your name still rings a bell They give you damn near nothing And they'll say they knew you well So you tell 'em you'll remember But they know it's just a game And along the way their faces All begin to look the same But when you stop to let 'em know you got it down It's just another town along the road Well it isn't for the money And it's only for a while You stalk about the rooms And you roll away the miles Gamblers in the neon Clinging to guitars You're right about the moon But you're wrong about the stars But when you stop to let 'em know you got it down It's just another town along the road ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:02:31 EST From: Pfleary@aol.com Subject: R&R: talking heads Pete mentioned in his list of Top 5 Side 1's, Track 1's: > Talking Heads' "Burning Down the House" from "More Songs About Buildings and > Food" Actually Burning Down the House is on Speaking in Tongues, which was much later than More Songs About Buildings and Food. Re: Talking Heads: Did anybody catch David Byrne's performance on Austin City Limits this past weekend? It was incredible. My wife and I were a little taken aback by his white hair, which may or may not have been dyed. Also when the camera panned the audience, I couldn't help but notice how my generation is turning 40! I guess if the boomers could do it and still be cool, so could other generations. I was born in 1964 and had my radio coming of age in the early 70's, listening to an AM station in Burlington, VT called WDOT. I remember waiting for hours just to hear Billy Joel's Piano Man when I was a kid! :-) I think this will be a fun list, but it sure covers a lot of territory. Every other list I am on is for a specific artist. At least with this one we won't get caught up in threads about the picayune details of an artist's personal life. Well, we're at least not as likely to be---here's hoping anyway! Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:16:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: R&R: talking heads <> Amen to that...let's keep the focus on the music! And no politics, please! ;~) Didn't see that Byrne special, but a co-worker caught it and said it was great. I've been a big Byrne/Heads fan since day 1. Fave Heads album: Remain In Light Fave Heads tune: Naive Melody (This Must Be The Place) & Take Me To The River Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:11:18 EST From: Pfleary@aol.com Subject: R&R: heads Bob wrote: > Fave Heads tune: ...& Take Me To The River Of course you know that Take Me to the River is a cover of an Al Green song, right? >let's keep the focus on the music! And no politics, please! ;~) What, no politics? Oh, come on....I though the raging battle on the Dar Williams list about how to respond to the 9/11 attacks was so interesting, and I believe that Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice were consulting it hourly for insights into what they should do. ;-) Peter (up too early on the west coast) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:23:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: R&R: heads <> But of course! And as much as I *LOVE* those soulful Al Green delicacies from the 70's, the Heads' cover puts such a neat spin on "River", both studio & live versions are excellent! Bob NP: David Lindley & El-Rayo X, "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:43:30 EST From: CaptainZen@aol.com Subject: Re: R&R: Side1, Track 1 In a message dated 1/21/02 6:20:29 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << 2. "Repectable Street" (XTC, Black Sea) >> Yes! "Respectable Street" rocks. I'm actually partial to the live version from "Urgh! A Music War", but, whatever version, this song is one shining example of why Andy Partridge is my third favorite lyricist of all time (after Lennon and Dylan, natch). But, without taking the time to come up with a comprehensive list (I'm LAZY), my hands-down all-time favorite Side 1 Track 1 is "Begin the Begin" from REM's "Life's Rich Pageant". It's actually my favorite REM song, period. I looked for it And I found it Miles Standish proud Congratulate me - -Scott np: "Dancing in the Street" Martha & The Vandellas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:05:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: R&R: Side1, Track 1: XTC/REM <> Was actually the FIRST XTC song I heard...the radio station was playing Black Sea as a feature album that night, starting at midnight. There I was in the bed with headphones on. Once that guitar riff kicked in, I was definitely up out of bed and playing my trusty tennis racket! Bought the LP the next day, and much XTC later I'm still a great fan and looking forward to their upcoming boxset. <<"Begin the Begin" from REM's "Life's Rich Pageant". It's actually my favorite REM song, period.>> While I like REM's entire body of work, their Side 1, Track 1's tend to be a bit on the weaker side. I'd put "Begin" alongside "Radio Free Europe" as their best intro. I was disappointed that "Reveal" didn't make a better showing last year. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:22:07 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: R&R: This list (was: talking heads) Peter (sans Paul and Mary) wrote: >I think this will be a fun list, but it sure covers a lot of territory. >Every other list I am on is for a specific artist. At least with this one we >won't get caught up in threads about the picayune details of an artist's >personal life. That was the #1 main reason for this list. Cover a wide enough territory so any one artist/group/genre will not dominate the list. The era (19502, 1960s & 1970s) was specifically chosen to draw in the baby-boomer generation who had the great fortune to have come of age in the fantastic musical revolution that was the 1960s, whose birth pangs were (argualby) in the 50s and whose growth spurt lasted into the 70s. I know some will say the birth pangs stretch well before the 50s and the influences continue even now, and that is all true. In a nut-shell, I just wanted us middle-aged fogeys (and appreciative youngin's) to have a playground where we can discuss the good ol' days wen we listened to our music walking in the snow...uphill...both ways! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:31:23 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: R&R: Son of "this list" (was: talking heads) Bob wrote: ><picayune details of an artist's >personal life. Well, we're at least not as likely to be---here's hoping >anyway!>> > >Amen to that...let's keep the focus on the music! And no politics, please! >;~) Yes, I hope we can keep the politics off of this list. It was my only real concern when I thought it could be a fun list. Much of the music of the era of this lists' topic was of course charged with the political upheavals of the 1960s and as long as we keep discussion of that music on that topic without anyone soapboxing and tossing us into a political disussion we should do just fine. I think it's inevitable that we will have some posts and subsequent disussions on political messaged music and that is of course fine, we each just have to do our best to ensure that any onlist reply is not soley political, there are many other lists for that discussion I am sure. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:24:46 -0500 From: shawn e williams Subject: Re: R&R: Desperately Seeking go to oldglory.com and they have really good catalogues. "Honey, I aint got time to wait on you or to fetch your super ball, I got lots of things Ive got to do." - Janis Joplin ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:30:40 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: R&R: CSNY *ALL* on Leno next week! According to the latest TV Barn newsletter, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young will be on The Tonight Show With Jay Leno on Thursday the 31st! Something tells me they ain't gonna be covering the Hansons' Mmmbop. Mike ------------------------------ End of 50s60s70s-digest V1 #7 *****************************