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50s60s70s-digest       Monday, January 21 2002       Volume 01 : Number 006




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                               Today's Subjects:
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  R&R: Mama's and the Papa's lyric question...            [IanDJones@aol.com]
  R&R: Re: a mixed and canned message with Crosby  ["Paul Castle" <pdcmusic@]
  R&R: O'Keefe Oh My...                                  [RockinRonD@aol.com]
  Re: R&R: O'Keefe Oh My...                                  [Honoku@aol.com]
  R&R: Re: 50s60s70s-digest V1 #5      ["Jeff Green" <jagreen34@hotmail.com>]
  Re: R&R: Mama's and the Papa's lyric question...  [Mike Connell <ducksoup@]
  R&R: Side1, Track 1                                    [Smokefeath@aol.com]
  Re: R&R: Mama's and the Papa's lyric question...       [Smokefeath@aol.com]

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:52:49 EST
From: IanDJones@aol.com
Subject: R&R: Mama's and the Papa's lyric question...

Hey guys!

For my first post (I think?) to this list, I'd like to ask something that's 
puzzled me for years - some of the lyrics to the Mama's and the Papa's 
"California Dreamin'". The lyrics in question start out:

"Stopped into a church/I passed along the way/well I got down on my knees/and 
pretend to pray (?)/you know the preacher ????/he knows I'm gonna stay."

Anyone have any idea what the missing lyrics are? I've seen conflicting 
reports on the web - it's either "the preacher likes the cold" or "the 
preacher lights the coal." (I have a feeling it's the latter - is that right? 
<Chuckle>)

Thanks guys!

Ian

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:28:28 -0000
From: "Paul Castle" <pdcmusic@freeuk.com>
Subject: R&R: Re: a mixed and canned message with Crosby

Pablo ecuatraveler@hotmail.com wrote:

>I forgot to mention the live album of David Crosby 
>I was listening when writing my last e-mail... it was
>The King Biscuit Flower Hour at Philadelphia on 
>april 8, 1989... I'm sure everyone could enjoy this 
>live recording with his best songs so far...  and
>there's "if only I could remember my name"

A friend on the Joni list recently sent me David Crosby -
Naked in the Rain - live at the Whiskey December 1993 -
with In My Dreams/Naked in the Rain/Rusty and Blue/
Hero/Till it Shines on You/Thousand Roads/Cowboy
Movie/Motherless Chilrden/Almost Cut my Hair/Deja
Vu/Long Time Gone/Wooden Ships.

The recording quality is 'tip-top' and it's great to hear
such good live versions of 'Long Time Gone' and 'Wooden 
Ships' which I first heard (waaay back) when the film of 
Woodstock first came to my local cinema in Oxford, England 
- - I'd never even heard of CSYN up till then -  a major musical 
taste-changing moment for me  - I had already  discovered 
Joni's first 'Song to a Seagull' but had not recognized the 
producer as a member of The Byrds - I was more familiar 
with UK group The Hollies, whose singles I never bought, 
but whose catchy harmony pop was hard to dislike.  But
Crosby Stills and Nash were something else completely  -
as a guitar player, Stills' 'Suite: Judy Blue Eyes' was to me
then - the wide-eyed kid - a major light bulb moment  - 
still is!

All the best
Paul
pdcmusic@freeuk.com

PS.  Found this tuning for 'Suite: Judy Blue Eyes' on
an alternate tuning page recently  --  E  B  E  E  B  E  -- 
which the site author calls 'Bruce Palmer modal tuning' - see    
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/WarrenAllen/tunings.htm
Anyone know anything about 'Bruce Palmer'  ?

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:51:11 EST
From: RockinRonD@aol.com
Subject: R&R: O'Keefe Oh My...

  Another great song by Danny O'Keefe is "The Road," which was covered by 
Bill Morrisey and Greg Brown on their duet record a few years ago.  It's an 
incredible tune that I would LOVE to have the chord transcriptions for.  I've 
searched everywhere for it on the internet but to no avail.  Anyone with any 
info about this song?
  On the subject of the Monkees, I, too, started taking guitar lessons in the 
mid 60's with the intent of learning to play Monkees songs, along with some 
Beatles, Dave Clark Five and the Lovin Spoonful.  As it turns out, the 
Monkees songs were always the easiest to play and sing, so they got most of 
my attention.  But I also recall knowing full well, despite rumors to the 
contrary,  that Peter Tork actually played the bass and that Mike Nesmith was 
an accomplished guitar player and above average songwriter.  MIckey Dolenz 
was a so-so drummer.  But then again, so was Ringo Starr.

RememberinRonD

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:01:25 EST
From: Honoku@aol.com
Subject: Re: R&R: O'Keefe Oh My...

In a message dated 1/20/2002 9:51:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
RockinRonD@aol.com writes:


>  Another great song by Danny O'Keefe is "The Road," which was covered by 
> Bill Morrisey and Greg Brown on their duet record a few years ago.  It's an 
> 
> incredible tune that I would LOVE to have the chord transcriptions for.  
> I've 
> searched everywhere for it on the internet but to no avail.  Anyone with 
> any 
> info about this song?
> 

  originally covered by jackson brown.
steve

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:48:03 -0500
From: "Jeff Green" <jagreen34@hotmail.com>
Subject: R&R: Re: 50s60s70s-digest V1 #5

top ten most influential albums of the 60's and 70's? younger reader here.
I grew up on the indie rock of the 80's and 90's ( I Know I am YOUNG),
however I have become increasingly interested in influential artists of this
time period and just wondered what sort of lists you guys would come up with
seeing whereas this isn't really my specialty and I am here to learn.  Teach
me, perhaps.


Jeff

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:42:38 -0500
From: Mike Connell <ducksoup@quackquack.net>
Subject: Re: R&R: Mama's and the Papa's lyric question...

>For my first post (I think?) to this list, I'd like to ask something that's
>puzzled me for years - some of the lyrics to the Mama's and the Papa's
>"California Dreamin'". The lyrics in question start out:
>
>"Stopped into a church/I passed along the way/well I got down on my knees/and
>pretend to pray (?)/you know the preacher ????/he knows I'm gonna stay."
>
>Anyone have any idea what the missing lyrics are? I've seen conflicting
>reports on the web - it's either "the preacher likes the cold" or "the
>preacher lights the coal." (I have a feeling it's the latter - is that 
>right?

Being that recording is likely my all-time co-favorite (Bridge Over 
Troubled Water is at the TOP of my list also), I too always wondered about 
that line. Listened to it over and over and over again on repeat just for 
that verse, and while it does somewhat sound like the preacher "light the 
coal", and while "likes the cold" makes more sense considering the whole 
point of the song (i.e. dreaming of California while in cold, dark and dank 
and New York), I have always leaned towards "light the coal" or some 
derivative of that simply because Denny Dohery clearly is not saying 
"likes" and neither are Cass & Michelle and I just never did hear a "d" in 
what is either "coal" or "cold". I feel however I am in the minority.

Maybe the next time AMC runs that M&P special where at the end about 30 
members of the Phillips gang & guests break into California Dreamin' I'll 
listen and look closer to watch their mouths to see if I can differentiate 
if it's "coal" or "cold". Often live performances reveal misheard lyrics. 
Sadly, none of the M&P CDs I have have the lyrics. Is there a box set 
published yet? Those usually include lyrics don't they?

Mike 

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:34:15 EST
From: Smokefeath@aol.com
Subject: R&R: Side1, Track 1

I was watching the excellent movie "High Fidelity" last night. There's a 
scene in the movie where one character asks another to come up with his Top 5 
Side 1's, Track 1's. I was talking about it with my son today and we came up 
with the following as our Top 5 Side 1's, Track 1's:
Bob Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" from "Highway 61 Revisited"
The Rolling Stones' "Brown Sugar" from "Sticky Fingers"
Bruce Springsteen's "Thunder Road" from "Born to Run"
Talking Heads' "Burning Down the House" from "More Songs About Buildings and 
Food" and
U2's "Where the Streets Have No Name" from "The Joshua Tree"

Would be interested in comments and offerings from others on the list.


*****************
"A fellow will remember a lot of things you wouldn't think he'd
remember. You take me. One day, back in 1896, I was crossing over to
Jersey on the ferry, and as we pulled out, there was another ferry
pulling in, and on it there was a girl waiting to get off. A white
dress she had on. She was carrying a white parasol. I only saw her
for one second. She didn't see me at all, but I'll bet a month
hasn't gone by since that I haven't thought of that girl."
- --Bernstein (Everett Sloane) in "Citizen Kane" (1941)

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:38:09 EST
From: Smokefeath@aol.com
Subject: Re: R&R: Mama's and the Papa's lyric question...

In a message dated 1/20/2002 1:53:46 AM Central Standard Time, 
IanDJones@aol.com writes:


> , I'd like to ask something that's 
> puzzled me for years - some of the lyrics to the Mama's and the Papa's 
> "California Dreamin'".

All the leaves are brown and the sky is gray
I've been for a walk on a winter's day
I'd be safe and warm if I was in L.A.
California dreamin' on such a winter's day
Stopped in to a church I passed along the way
Well I got down on my knees and I pretend to pray
You know the preacher liked the cold
He knows I'm gonna stay
California dreamin' on such a winter's day

All the leaves are brown and the sky is gray
I've been for a walk on a winter's day
If I didn't tell her I could leave today
California dreamin' on such a winter's day
California dreamin' on such a winter's day
California dreamin' on such a winter's day

*****************
"A fellow will remember a lot of things you wouldn't think he'd
remember. You take me. One day, back in 1896, I was crossing over to
Jersey on the ferry, and as we pulled out, there was another ferry
pulling in, and on it there was a girl waiting to get off. A white
dress she had on. She was carrying a white parasol. I only saw her
for one second. She didn't see me at all, but I'll bet a month
hasn't gone by since that I haven't thought of that girl."
- --Bernstein (Everett Sloane) in "Citizen Kane" (1941)

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